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Hollys mum
00:52:26:02| in college there wasn’t much
at all going into secondary school there is nothing at all mentioned in lessons
at all there was always someone suspected of particularly of young men if
someone suspected them of not being as much as they could it could be a little
bit insulting of being gay it still excises in secondary school there wasn’t
any real leader ship or any known organizations that perhaps could that could
be interviewed by the media at the time when I was at secondary school it was
more when I became a student at university a lot of my friends were out
then(00:53:24:22) and you know and that was a lot more expectable I suppose and
became maybe not the norm but a lot more excepted with the students it was a
lot more known that students could be out or could be out and be gay a lot
people could be out but at secondary school but at primary school absolutely
nothing at all really.
00:54:00:21| um I think in secondary school
there was a lot of things discussions in school and there are people or friends
that my daughter has got that are in secondary school at the moment that who
are one person who is transgender for example and several others who think they
may be gay or who are gay so it is a lot more talked about and open think and
there is also some sort of community learning time or something they have
somewhere they talk about these type of issues rather than being well it’s not
exactly a class have more of a discussion(00:54:44:10) its lead in a very
positive way with the teachers which is very good.
00:55:03:05|no I think that is still we
should discuss everything and um you know that primary school children should
have sex education a lot earlier as well so it come a lot less excepted facts
and you know um yes I think you know obviously for primary school children
perhaps you talk about things in a slightly different way but yeah I think it
should be defiantly start then.
00:58:22:21|well I think there will always
be school yard bulling but I think it helps all education helps and you know
its not just schools and colleges I thin also(00:59:15:00) I think that is
defiantly true yes I don’t think ta is for just schools and colleges I think
its also for your know the media um other sort off key organizations and community’s
like the council government you know that every different sector our country
needs to play its part really but defiantly needs better education is key.
1:00:10:04| mm well possible I mean because
I’m not gay myself I wouldn’t presume t know about it really so but I would
hope I hope I wouldn’t shut away from talking about anything my children would
want to raise um.
01:01:30:14| I think that is really bad if
they say there doing something but not um
kind of get the feeling in London schools are a bit more progressive
then probably to insight good conversations and perhaps in London or in
religious schools so much so that
something you can see or overseeing to education I mean the difficulty
with schools for the parents are very
prejudice or difficulty that’s what they see as the norm at home you know
schools can’t do everything but they should defiantly be doing more.
01:02:28:07|no I don’t agree with that
because no because it’s something people need to know about and if they believe
you shouldn’t know about it can’t e good.
Dannys sister
01:28:19:09|We had an essembly before about
rape sexual abuse and she showed use a video showing a boy making a girl do
something she didn’t want to do and then about three weeks after that’s when
things started about sexually transmitted diseases and relationships.
01:29:03:18|I did think about it but I
didn’t know if I should ask because I did not really want to say it at all she
would be talking about gays and how and how their relationship also matter.
01:29:26:10|yeah I think so because this
generation more people are coming out as being gay bisexual so they should give
lessons on how to like allow allowdiff.
01:30:11:09| I don’t really know because
it’s hardly ever brought up in any lessons most teachers don’t know if people
are with or against it so they don’t really know.
01:30:41:23| well I do know this girl who
had a best friend who was a lesbian but no one came out as gay or lesbian.
01:31:19:20| I would talk to my parent’s
coze I feel more confident talking to them then teachers.
01:31:34:01| yeah I think because the school
isn’t bringing up the topic they wouldn’t know how to deal with it so I would
go to my parents.
01:32:27:07| I think it would be quit scary
because they don’t know how people will judge them like I think that there are
some homophobic people in my school like I hear conversations about it like
gays this gays that so I don’t know if they would be scared to come out.
01:33:02:21| I would actually suggest it to
the teacher like I think we should start doing lessons about gay relationships
that people shouldn’t be scared about it to come out.
Anji
00:00:22:06| to be honest I was really
supported like in India it Is very taboo to even say the word sex people would be
like oh my god what’s wrong with her so basically all we were told was about
sex education was reproduction and only a few diagrams which were not even that
clear on what exactly it is and that’s it that parts and only a few details
about it like female body not even exactly even how sex is so no.
00:00:59:00|we didn’t even know what a gay
person is or an LGBT is and you can even say from like three years back I
didn’t know what LGBT is and stuff and stuff so we were never told about this.
00:01:26:06| yeah defiantly I would think
so because if you don’t tech any one something they would be more curies about
them and a sex thing how is what is it so we were not taught about it and I
really think if we were taught more about it idf it was thought about as a
normal human thing then it not as a taboo thing or a sex thing because it is a
normal human thing so that could help and it can defiantly defiantly do
something because if people know there is always something for them to learn
and I think it should be changed for fucking sure sorry about my language.
Ellie
00:00:13:20| it wasn’t that good honestly
it was basically it was the basics of what everyone gets taught on what’s safe
and what isn’t but it wasn’t any diversity.
00:00:31:09| basics it was some people are
gay or some people are bi and whatever and they didn’t really touch on it
because I feel the teachers there where didn’t really have the knowledge to and
where just too scared to talk about it I guess.
00:00:58:20| yes to me it felt lie know one
was there like me because we didn’t get anything taught there there wasn’t
really anything for us um but yeah the visibility wasn’t there so I didn’t
know.
00:01:25:19|its quiet upsetting I wish
schools did teach that all these different people and all these different
genders and we just don’t get taught about it so people just don’t relies that
there could be something with them they just don’t know.
00:01:59:19|before at a young age I knew
like I was something but the internet helped people are more open there so
that’s how I learnt.
00:02:14:01|I came out to my friends um but
I think it was year nine I think I came out as pansexual.
00:02:28:14| it wasn’t something people
talked about it was more of everything was straight it was like oh you’re a
girl do you have a boyfriend or are you dating someone you know like that but
no one overly new and never thought that any one was gay I’ve one my friend now
he is gay but wasn’t out at the time and it is annoying because at the time we
were both kind off not straight but we just didn’t know so yeah.
00:03:13:08| yeah defiantly it would help
if we were educated better.
00:03:29:24| yes I think it should be its
in phse it’s not really in sex ed it should be discussed in personal life in
about life and how you develop everything so f it was in there is would be
really good but it would defiantly be better if we had separate classes for it.
00:03:59:09| young kids understand
different relationships and genders better as a kid like if you go to a little
kid and say like how different guys can date each other and girls can date each
other and you can be whatever gender they except it much easier then rather be
told that there are these two binary systems um but it would defiantly help I
society grow.
00:04:48:09| there was a couple of teachers
that I felt that would be more excepting it was the way they were just relaxed
and helpful there was a couple but otherwise there was not many teachers that
would be like that.
00:05:10:12|hhmm not me personally because
there not that close minded they just don’t know and about anything at all.
00:05:36:13|it annoys me um its kind off
seen as a faze when yeah when you are younger you experiment and you change and
you are finding out who you actually are so I get I understand why it’s kind of
seen that way but really its actually who we are and it’s when we say that we
are this type of sexuality or gender it means we have actually discovered who
we actually are so it’s in that development phase so it’s not really a statement
really.
00:06:54:15| I think it would defiantly
decrees it because if its going back to when they are taught back when they
were a kid then that homophobia won’t be there because they would have been
taught from a young age about all this there wouldn’t be this discrimination
it’s just what we learnt from older generations so if there was a better rep if
there was any better representatives it would it wouldn’t get rid of it I guess
I guess there would be a couple of people but as the generations get younger
society value of change s eventually it should be erased.
Holly
00:44:04:6| they weren’t that great it was
pretty much just a PowerPoint on zoomed in pictures of STDs and that was it.
00:44:24:01|not that I can remember.
00:44:43:24| ugh I defiantly think they
should be discussed its heavily talked off really only talked about pretty much
only heterosexual stuff is talked about um heterosexual relationships we have
hardly ever learnt about being gay or even the hate that some people get
because of it and we didn’t learn anything from it or laws to do with it like
gay marriage or anything so.
00:45:35:14| ugh between me and my family
friends and all the girls that where in my year it was all really positive but
a lot of my friends where Identified as gay or bisexual so we were all very
open towards each other um my teachers never mentioned it r anything like that
they were rumors about some of my teachers being gay or bi and every one really
excepting about that nobody really minded.
00:46:17:23| ugh it did effect it bit
because people of my generation are quit heavily influenced by the media
sometimes and so the fact that there weren’t a lot representatives openly out
it made you a bit scared to come out because you were not sure how people would
react.
00:46:44:16| ugh it was pretty much just
between me and my friends we one of my friends came out as gay and we were like
wow that’s amazing and we all started to think oh what if I’m not straight
which a lot of us tuned out not to be um and we just kind of all stand out I
guess.
00:47:10:02| ugh to some extent yeah she kind
off she came out then that was kind of when we all started to think maybe we
haven’t really thought about it before she came out so.
00:47:46:10| defiantly it would defiantly
help because the more people know about it more excepting be in that the faster
that people start to relies who they truly are and the less scared they’ll be
to come out.
00:48:11:01| I think that is absolutely
ridicules being in the LGBT community being gay straight Trans it’s something
you’re born with not something you decide so teaching students about it will
only encourage them to come out earlier and hopefully me excepted more.
00:48:39:20| ugh a few of my teachers I did
I was quiet close with them they were really friendly um but some of my
teachers um some of my teachers where just not really known what to say when we
went to them for questions but most of them would have been really excepting
and answered any questions we had to the best they could.
00:49:05:00| ugh I defiantly think I could
have gone to my parents but I don’t think they would have had the answers to
them to know what to say.
00:49:37:17| um no it was my REN
citizenship teacher they were all we didn’t have any one particular come in it
was just those teachers that I think it was one or two lessons in year nine and
just went through the same PowerPoint and that was it.
00:50:04:05| it defiantly needs more
respect in those terms because there is so much that we weren’t taught that we
just had to self-teach are selves that would have been considerable better and
we would be a lot more knowledgeable if we were actually told about it properly
in are lesions.
00:50:29:18| um I think in terms of
different types of sexuality being different genders that people can I identify
with I think they should be taught more because when I was in secondary none of
that was told to us we weren’t given any information about it so I think it
would have been a lot better if we at least went over the different sexual
orientations genders that there are and briefly told what they consist off.
00:51:15:16| ugh it dose upset me a little
bit because we are really just the hole topic in generally just kind of swept
under the rug and it would be considerable better if we were talked about more
and given a bit more representation in a way.
00:51:38:20|deffiently not I think they
should both be taught about to an equal extent.
Danny’s Brother
01:33:38:20| ugh it was it was the same old
boys do this girls do that you know puberty and stuff periods hair all that fun
stuff.
01:34:02:16| not until like late year ten
but that’s like because there was more awareness around that time so and my
school was big on diversity so we went to a bunch of assemblies just about gay
people and relationships in that sense but before that it was just none
existent.
01:34:45:20| um comfortable yeah but I
don’t think they knew they just where reading from a bit of paper or from a
PowerPoint behind them and that was about it.
01:35:09:11| um I don’t know being around a
group of friends that I was with I could be like really open with them because
a few of where like oh yeah I’m bisexual I’m lesbian or I feel like this and I
feel like that I was like yeah ok so felt I could express myself how I wanted
to express myself with these people and be comfortable about it so yeah it was
just about the people I was with.
01:35:48:18| um I mean I wasn’t completely
uncomfortable with it I feel like if someone was to ask or tell them or if
someone was there and came up to me and talk through it or whatever so I wasn’t
I mean I’m a socially awkward person anyway so its just you know.
01:36:36:24| defiantly like me I just think that the more you educate
yourself more you educate the people about these kind of like grey areas the
more knowledge they have the more reason they have to except it or to not
except it so it’s just all about educate and learning to except it or not.
01:37:08:17| I think I think it’s good to
start at a young age because then all of that immaturity and all of that giggle
giggle stuff goes not completely but you can get to a point where you can be
more series about those types of subjects(01:37:26:13) when you are in year
nine at that’s when like for that’s when I feel like this but the people around
the school that I’m in is it ok for me to be like this and is it ok for me to
come out as bisexual or not as straight and so I feel like kids if they are
taught that these people exist and relationships like this exist then they are
more willing to learn about it and except it
when they reach that kind of awkward teenage.
01:38:10:09| probably I feel like I got
everyone I was around me in my classes there opinions on everything um then I
could have like worked with that and have been ok this is how these people feel
and that’s how those people feel with how I would feel to around with them so
just discussions really.
01:38:46:23| I mean when like the later
years came and it was just like yeah this straight couples this straight
couples do that your just sitting there like well for my point of view cause I
knew everything pretty much I was just thinking to myself I’m just like imagine
if that was you like four years ago starting in year seven all you hear is all
this straight couple stuff and you don’t know what to do with yourself this
doesn’t fit with me and how I feel like isolated in that time so.
01:39:58:01|I just think again it’s down to
lack of education on the children’s behalf because I feel like the teachers
they don’t want to have to control a class of giggling kids talking about gay
relationships and stuff so if schools were to get past that point and actually
get some people from the LGBT community to talk to the kids then maybe they
would actually listen and understand but if it’s just the teacher sitting at
the front of the class telling children to shut up with them just giggling and
laughing then no is getting educated.
01:41:09:13|when I first started secondary
school it was because the old head teacher was really bad and didn’t really
care but then when the new head teacher came in brought this whole new
diversity thing in and actually wanted to educate the children about these
different matters then it wasn’t as bad but it was just silly thing like the
bad people in the class they would be like that’s gay or just they would use
that type of tone and if you are sitting there hearing these people talking
about that teachers gay and like whatever is gay and your sitting there like
well I’m gay or I think I’m gay so if they use that in a bad way does that mean
it’s bad to be gay it’s just all very confusing so.
01:42:16:10| um defiantly like towards the
end like before I left year ten eleven they brought in this big anti bulling
scheme and this whole diversity so it I think it’s getting there.
01:43:34:02| um I don’t know I defiantly
when I started secondary school I didn’t feel like I was completely straight
because I would look at men and stuff on TV and be like that’s a weird feeling
like what’s going on and then as I got older I was like ok I still like girls
but I have the same feeling towards guys and it was very confusing until I met
my group of friends like I’m still friends with all of them now and they were
all very open and they all started coming out and I was like ok so it is a
thing they are bisexual they all feel the same as me so that must be what I am
and yeah it just kind of came from there.
01:44:52:15| um I mean it was really it it
wasn’t scary as in like thought that I was goner get back lash for it it was
just scary on my behalf because me coming out to them it was me coming out to
myself because the closes people to me will know and it was actually it was a
big relief because I can finally be myself in front of every one and to get
everyone to get to know me.
01:45:41:04| um I don’t know I never really
I was the type of guy who was kind of friendly with every one so I didn’t
really have any enemies so if I like everyone at my old school knows that I’m
bisexual but I didn’t such come out like telling everyone but I didn’t get any
back lash from t at school so it was the same both ways it was me coming out to
myself and being myself around every one.
Dannys Parents
01:05:21:07|uh him trying to think that far
back the whole LGBT thing didn’t exist when I was at school urm yes we had
homosexual’s lesbians and gays but the rest of it wasn’t really out there
really when we were at that age no I didn’t know anything about it.
01:05:58:24| uh I think there is too much
acceptance personally urh I think it’s too promoted rather than discussed but
why why do you think its promoted because I feel it’s become politically
correct and it’s almost like people are forcing it to be normal I’m not saying
its abnormal it’s just feels like it’s been forced on everybody.
01:06:47:03| I think it should I think
primary schools too young no but then you right but then you might if they got
a young child is in that situation it thinks it’s in the wrong body or
something like that then it’s nice to know that thieve got that if they can’t
talk to the parents thee got the teacher to talk to well I think it’s too young
it’s just too young I think that’s fine im not saying the child should suffer a child to me should
be old enough to understand exactly what’s going on around it and the way they
feel(01:07:24:08) and that they should old enough to make an educated decision
no they don’t you can’t tell me a ten year old knows between being a boy or a
girl course it does no of course it don’t of curse t don’t why would if the
attitude the children come from the parents alright it’s as simple as that why
would t come from the attitude of the parent because were else would the it
learn it television social media well that’s what I’m trying to get at right
but then if they were at school and they couldn’t talk to to the parent they
would talk to the teacher if they find they couldn’t talk to a parent so to me
if it was a lesion they did at school it would help them it would make them
understand then they did before to know if there is something wrong with them
well I’m not saying I disagree with you what I’m saying is I disagree with you
at that age(01:08:26:18)
01:08:33:06| personally teens wants you
start hitting puberty and you start becoming more aware of the fact that there
are differences but then puberty can start at ten yeah I’m not saying it can’t
I’m just saying to me it needs to be outside primary school to me it’s just too
young to me there are other things that need to be discussed.
01:09:21:19| uhm I would personally but I
think that is your own personal attitude towards it uhm I know friends that
would feel awkward talking about those type of things to their children my
children have accused me of being to open about certain stuff you know uhm you
don’t feel to comfortable about it do yah no I was all right with tommy when he
came out it was I never thought it would be tommy but it didn’t bother me I
wasn’t shocked put it that way I think I was the one that surprised them
because I think they that I would have taken it copletly different to the way
that I did butyou know my attitude is at te end of the day I not going to
alienate one of my own children because of there sexualty because bottom line
my attitude as long as yur safe and happy then I don’t care you know what I
mean so.
01:10:48:17| see I don’t understand that
one why would coming out be a statement or a fashion because its become put it
in my terms its easier for the children to come out now that’s ware’s when are
time when we were in school I never knew any one yeah true yeah I’ve got a
cousin and a nephew that’s it but that’s what im trying to say there is a
difference when Michael came out who’s are nephew but he was like it in primary
school yeah but he didn’t come out then he he went back to me he did it in the
wrong way that’s what im saying there is nothing like that at school he came
out then went completely comical camp which was like getting on every ones
nerves you know what I mean it was like he was trying to make a statement
saying look at me I’m gay you know what I mean yeah because he had no one right
but what I’m trying to say I think it’s easier for the kids to come out but
saying that I still think there is um there is still a lot of stigma attached
to it especially with are generation as I said look I only know from my own
experiences and that the bottom the line is I know my son was dreading telling
me right based on conversations and comments
and everything over the years I know any of mine would have absolutely
cackled them self-eves to tell me right rather then tell Debbie yeah uhm I’m
just glad that mine had the front to tell me rather than me find out from
someone else or something else because it’s a different generation we wouldn’t
have come out to our parents no its easier being an alcoholic or a junky I’m being
series it was yes mum I was an alcoholic and I do heroin but not come out and
say I’m gay right.
01:13:19:02| again its progressive it
wasn’t out then attitude’s and don’t forget it was illegal right up to the
nineteen sixties right so we are sixties children we were born in the sixties
even if you look at are parents it was an illegal act it was against the law to
be a homosexual right so there attitudes where a lot different than towards
ares I wouldn’t say expectable I would
say it became it became more talked about and more open as we were growing up
but nothing to the extent it is now and that’s what I’m saying you need to look
at the generation differences you see to are children that generation your
generation it’s as normal as being normal
if that makes scent there’s not that worry well there is no it is normal
there is no such thing as abnormal anymore I think that is better I honestly do
im pleased he can come up to us and say it to us.
01:14:59:03|see I was going to say that
that’s when micheal who won big bother Brian downing that’s how he was acting
and that’s when micheal started to change his personality he was being more
like him yeah thas what I was going to say he came out which was fair enough
but when he came out with me and his dada heading no what to expect we turned
around to him and said down force it down on other people but then twenty
twenty-five years later he started acting like some sort of cartoon.
01:16:23:13| see that’s the way should be
down I the last year of years six that’s when they should be told about it see
that where then they start bringing it in gradually in the year term of year
six this when they should start mentioning it nuh again we see different to
this I just think they are too young to understand sexuality I think they need
to understand more the stereotypical birds and bees right that’s why we have to
many nine twelve year olds getting pregnant you know what I mean that’s why
schools would engage normal but actually but don’t actually do it because our
too young you know what I mean yeah that’s what I’m saying they did it n tat
whole term of year six all the sex ed and the gay the lesbian the bi and all of
that should be introduced they do one topic then they introduce the next and it
ends on that type of thing by then in the term of year six there what eleven so
they are going in to secondary school there not too young or old there between
ten and eleven arnt they say they should be taught it but you are looking at
some pretty heavy topics all being crammed into one school yard no its not it
is they would do the topic once a week they wouldn’t go into full blown detail
in year six then what the point(01:18:04:16) because they would know some of it
without going into secondary school without not knowing any of it I think we
agree to disagree.
